natural inborne ability

Post questions and tips on the ability to match one's moves to an external rhythm (music, opponent's actions).

natural inborne ability

Postby johndela1 » Feb 06, 2005 15:55

do you think you can do much to change your natural rythm? I've always thought that you either have goo rythm or you don't and there isn't much you can do to change that

If anyone has any ideas to improve your sense of rythm let me know, I'd like to hear about them
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Postby dragon » Feb 07, 2005 06:38

Hi,
I personally believe that rythm is just a combination of good timing,good co-ordination,and good balance.If 1 of these is off slightly or missing then you will feel cumbersome and slow.
Therefore,if you've already learned how to walk,how to use a knife and fork together,how to perform some kind of fighting(i assume that's what you want rythm for),etc.,then you have the ability to train your motor skills(co-ordination).
The rest is practice.Many martial artists can kick and punch well during forms(katas) or other forms of syllabus but have a hard time during sparring.This is because they have never practiced kicking/punching whilst changing direction,finding themselves retreating whilst under attack,trying to hit a moving target,etc,.All this affects your balance and timing and is something you have to be prepared for.
I find shadow boxing the best way to start improving this:-you can start slow and learn how to "flow".It is also helpful to video yourself.You may be suprised at how unbalanced you look whilst hitting/recovering your position after hitting in motion.
The floor-to-ceiling ball is another good way:-it teaches you to keep your balance whilst you evade blows by moving you upper body(slipping,bobbing,weaving).
To start with you can even use these 2 exercises to concentrate on 1 thing at a time:-shadow boxing just for footwork(no kicking/punching,just moving around),and the floor-to-ceiling ball for evading blows(keeping light on your feet but hardly moving them,just using your upper body).
After a while you can put it all together.

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thanks

Postby johndela1 » Feb 07, 2005 14:54

thanks for the input
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Re: natural inborne ability

Postby Thomas Kurz » Mar 06, 2005 22:06

johndela1 wrote:If anyone has any ideas to improve your sense of rythm let me know, I'd like to hear about them


Play or learn playing musical instruments--drums are the most obviously applicable to sports but playing any instrument requires and refines sense of rhythm. Juggling is good too.

One of my instructors noted that a fit and agile drummer makes for a very difficult opponent.
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Speaking of instruments...

Postby UKfightfreak » May 23, 2005 09:08

I play the guitar and I was wondering if the same type of workout principles could be applied to the technique for an instrument as with normal exercise, e.g. technical, speed, strenth, endurance etc. workouts as many of the top guitar players state they spend 10 hours per day practicing, although I could see this being counter productive (having known some musicians getting RSI because of overtraining.

Any comments, ideas?
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Postby dragon » May 24, 2005 04:37

I play guitar also.The order with which i play is the same:-Technique first(or warming up the fingers slowly and stretching them out),then speed,and then endurance(the longer you play at any one time takes care of that).

I don't think strength needs to be an issue.The hardest thing to do on a guitar is hold down the bottom E with your little finger at the first fret(although i can't think of a playing position where that would ever happen!).If you can do that you have all the strength you need.

This is assuming you play a 6 string.If you play bass then more strength is required.

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Postby backinjured » Jan 31, 2006 19:15

Please note that if you only play some alternative rock like Blink 182 or that kind of stuff you won't get much sense of rhythm. When you start playing some Liquid Tension Experiment then yeah maybe you won't be bad at sparing!
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Postby strangedejavu » Feb 01, 2006 00:45

Liquid Tension Experiment and Dream Theater are great to listen to for rhythm because they rarely do the typical 4/4 time signature (I'm a huge fan, hence the screen name). You may need to get a musician to show you how to count along because that music's a bit complex. It's also heavy (mostly) so it makes for good workout music. If you want something a little lighter, Rush is great, too.
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Postby dragon » Feb 02, 2006 11:45

I must be showing my age.The only one of those i've heard of is Rush!

I'm a Kiss fan myself.........Probably just lost a lot of credibility now :)
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Postby backinjured » Feb 02, 2006 13:51

Liquid Tension Experiment, never heard about that group? Well you know Dream Theater at least? LTE is instrumental music made by some of Dream Theater's members. I've seen them in concert, they're awesome. John Petrucci is the guitar player. Probably one of the bests electric guitar players in the world today.
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Postby strangedejavu » Feb 02, 2006 23:47

I can't blame anyone for not having heard of LTE or DT. They aren't in the mainstream like Rush is (and even Rush is a bit on the edge). And I must admit, Kiss is a guilty pleasure for me, too.

If anyone reading this is serious about improving sense of rhythm but not enough to learn an instrument, I would suggest learning to count rhythm. You'll have to learn how to read music first, but only as far as rhythm is concerned. When you count music, you basically sing a song using syllables that show where the note falls in a measure or beat. For example, quarter notes in 3/4 would be counted like "1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3" etc. Eighth notes would be counted like "1 and 2 and 3 and 1 and 2 and 3 and" etc. There's probably too much to go over in a forum about sports training. Try googling it or better yet, get a musician to show you.

I learned to count rhythms when I started to learn the saxophone in junior high. Before long, I found myself counting the rhythm to songs on the radio. Geeky? At age 12, yes, but it worked. Even after much practice, if you can't count the rhythms to songs by the above mentioned bands, don't despair; they're really complicated. Except for Kiss. There's not much complicated about "I was made for lovin' you baby, you were made for lovin' me..."
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Re: natural inborne ability

Postby Wudan » Apr 03, 2006 18:55

Thomas Kurz wrote:
johndela1 wrote:If anyone has any ideas to improve your sense of rythm let me know, I'd like to hear about them


Play or learn playing musical instruments--drums are the most obviously applicable to sports but playing any instrument requires and refines sense of rhythm. Juggling is good too.

One of my instructors noted that a fit and agile drummer makes for a very difficult opponent.
That's extremely interesting. Would skipping ('jumping rope' as the Americans say) also fit the bill?
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Postby dragon » Apr 04, 2006 04:56

Yes,skipping rope would help your rhythm training.
However,i'd advise you to mix it up(alternate jumps,fast,double jumps,high knee lifts,etc) to make it more difficult.

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Postby strangedejavu » Apr 04, 2006 23:05

Perhaps doing it to a metronome would be even more beneficial. You may find at first that you have a tendency to speed up or slow down. You'll get used to it.
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Postby filipino » Sep 25, 2007 10:19

could anyone explain further what rhythm is? is it like counting or something? please my master is going to kill if i don't improve...
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