Ideas when atkins stops working????

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Ideas when atkins stops working????

Postby Guest » Aug 11, 2004 05:59

Hi I am just new to this forum and to Kickboxing :)

I did atkins about two years ago in combination with conditioning training and lost lots of body fat. I was down to 130lbs(59kg) and 24% body fat.

Two years, two operations and lots of bad bad eating later I am upto 151lbs(68.8kg) and 33% body fat. I have also just taken up kickboxing and pilates.

I desperately need to get my weight down. I have tried atkins again, but it just didn't work. I had ketones and everything but in the last two months I gained 1lb and lost only 1.5% body fat. To be quite honest, the restrictions that atkins places is just too much for these results.

At the moment I am just trying to 'eat healthy' but I am finding that a struggle as I don't seem to be getting anywhere with that.

I am trying to focus more on my body fat then my weight but I am getting a dissillusioned. Its hard because I eat no veggies :oops:

Any helps or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
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Postby wannabekickboxer » Aug 11, 2004 06:08

ok, that should have been posted under my newly registered screen name....... :shock: :shock:
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Re: Ideas when atkins stops working????

Postby mmeloon » Aug 11, 2004 12:34

Anonymous wrote:At the moment I am just trying to 'eat healthy' but I am finding that a struggle as I don't seem to be getting anywhere with that.

I am trying to focus more on my body fat then my weight but I am getting a dissillusioned. Its hard because I eat no veggies :oops:

Any helps or ideas would be greatly appreciated.


I don't mean to be a jerk but I don't understand what makes you think you are eating healthy if you eat no vegetables. Vegetables are the most nutrient-dense food on the planet. Foods like spinach or swiss chard have an outrageous nutrient-to-calorie ratio. I would encourage you to read up a bit on World's Healthiest Foods or the nutrition section of Science of Sports Training for a brief primer on good eating.

Simply eating vegetables isn't some magic prescription for losing weight but I think if you increase your consumption from 0 to 1 pound a day you'll find the weight starting to come off (at least for awhile before your body figures out what you are doing and adjusts your metabolism downward to compensate). Once the weight loss slows, substitute a half pound of meat or bread products with another half pound of vegies. That should restart the weight loss because you'll be taking in fewer calories again. Add in some essential fatty acids (EFAs) and you'll find your body will require much less food before it starts growling.

People often tell me that they eat vegetables because they don't like the way they taste. My suggestion would be (again) to look at the World's Healthiest Foods site. I'm sure you can find combinations of vegetables and preparation methods that are suitable to your taste buds. There are an awful lot of different types of vegetables out there. You've just got to experiment a bit to find out what you like.

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Re: Ideas when atkins stops working????

Postby wannabekickboxer » Aug 11, 2004 20:44

mmeloon wrote:
Anonymous wrote:At the moment I am just trying to 'eat healthy' but I am finding that a struggle as I don't seem to be getting anywhere with that.

I am trying to focus more on my body fat then my weight but I am getting a dissillusioned. Its hard because I eat no veggies :oops:

Any helps or ideas would be greatly appreciated.


I don't mean to be a jerk but I don't understand what makes you think you are eating healthy if you eat no vegetables. Vegetables are the most nutrient-dense food on the planet. Foods like spinach or swiss chard have an outrageous nutrient-to-calorie ratio. I would encourage you to read up a bit on World's Healthiest Foods or the nutrition section of Science of Sports Training for a brief primer on good eating.

Simply eating vegetables isn't some magic prescription for losing weight but I think if you increase your consumption from 0 to 1 pound a day you'll find the weight starting to come off (at least for awhile before your body figures out what you are doing and adjusts your metabolism downward to compensate). Once the weight loss slows, substitute a half pound of meat or bread products with another half pound of vegies. That should restart the weight loss because you'll be taking in fewer calories again. Add in some essential fatty acids (EFAs) and you'll find your body will require much less food before it starts growling.

People often tell me that they eat vegetables because they don't like the way they taste. My suggestion would be (again) to look at the World's Healthiest Foods site. I'm sure you can find combinations of vegetables and preparation methods that are suitable to your taste buds. There are an awful lot of different types of vegetables out there. You've just got to experiment a bit to find out what you like.

-Mark


Thank you for your response, and I know what you are saying is true. Unfortunately, I have a total mental block on vegtables - which goes back years. I have spent time in therapy to try and overcome my problem with food, and so far the only vegtables I have been able to include in diet have been green peppers. For me its not a case of just not likely vegtables, but I have a serious problem with them.

My husband likes to joke, that if I was on Fear Factor they wouldn't need to put Pigs Rectums on the table for me to fail, just a plate of veggies.

Believe me, I am working on my veggie issue, but it is a slow process.

In the mean time, I have included lots of fresh fruit - which I juice twice a day.
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Postby mmeloon » Aug 12, 2004 12:41

Interesting problem. Good luck with overcoming your fears.

If vegetables are out, I would concentrate on eating as much unprocessed food as possible. Breakfast cereals should be replaced with oatmeal. Snacks should be replaced with raw nuts and seeds. Eat more fish than chicken and more chicken than beef. Probably a good idea to suppliment with some EFA-rich oils (you can get these in the refrigerated section of your local health food store) like flaxseed or Udo's Choice. Supplimenting with EFAs is probably especially important since you're not eating any vegetables. Fruit is good but be a bit cautious of the high sugar content in many of them.

I don't think it's necessary to keep diligent eating records to make sure that your macronutrient ratios are in the famous protein/carb/fat proportion of 30/40/30 but it might be a good idea to keep a rough count of how much you eat. That doesn't have to be counting calories. Just keep track that you don't eat more than N fruits a day, X cups of oatmeal for breakfast, M pounds of meat in a day, etc. If you're still not losing weight then you'll have to cut back on food even more (and perhaps add in a little more exercise). Eat just enough to guard against hunger. Some people like to eat 5-6 small meals a day rather than 3 big ones to try to keep blood sugar levels more stable throughout the day.

There's a few ideas. Hopefully that will help you a little.

-Mark
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Postby wannabekickboxer » Aug 12, 2004 22:04

thanks mark, good ideas, I do eat alot of processed foods - mainly in the form of frozen meals (you know the low fat low calorie kind) - should I cut them out completely?

I'll work on eating smaller meals more often over the next week and see how I go.
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Postby mmeloon » Aug 13, 2004 11:59

wannabekickboxer wrote:thanks mark, good ideas, I do eat alot of processed foods - mainly in the form of frozen meals (you know the low fat low calorie kind) - should I cut them out completely?

I'll work on eating smaller meals more often over the next week and see how I go.


I would definitely recommend at least reducing what percentage of those make up your diet. I'm not sure whether you are relying on them because you (a) don't have time to cook, (b) don't like/know-how to cook, (c) like the idea of the "guesswork" taken out of nutrition. I guess my responses would be (a) you can cook a week's worth of food on the weekend, freeze most of it, and thaw when needed, (b) you can make pretty simple stuff using recipes from World's Healthiest Foods, (c) eating raw, unprocessed foods is a good, simple rule-of-thumb.

There are lots of problems with those frozen low-cal (or low-carb) meals. Perhaps the biggest is that they tend to focus on the macronutrients (protein, carbs, fat) and don't feature a very good amount of micronutrients (vitamins, minerals, prostaglandans, etc.) Your body is actually pretty good at figuring out when it's not getting the nutrition you need. If you eat food that has plenty of macronutrients but not enough micronutrients, your body will still trigger the hunger reflex to get you to eat more in the hopes of rectifying that situation.

I'm a mathematican so I tend to think of diet as an optimization problem. When I plan my meals, I'm trying to maximize the value (micronutrients, protein, EFAs) of what I eat while minimizing the "cost" (overall calories, saturated and/or trans fats, etc.). Minimially-processed foods are the best way to go. So a serving of wild-caught salmon that I poach myself is better than a serving of farm-raised salmon that is cooked with higher, dryer heat because, while they both have the same macronutrient profile, the former contains fats that are much more valuable to my body than the latter (farm-raised salmon has a lower EFA count and cooking with dry heat can destroy EFAs).

One final note, you'll notice that carbs weren't listed in either my "value" or "cost" catagories above. As a result, I don't give much thought to them. I tend to eat somewhat low-carb (compared to the average person) but that's not by design. It just turns out that many carb-rich foods don't fit my criterion for a high ratio of nutrients to calories. The exceptions, of course, are fruit and eating before or after a workout when my body has a strong need for carbohydrates. See the nutrition chapter of Science of Sports Training for more information on pre- and post-workout nutritional needs.

-Mark

P.S.: As far as the eating a smaller number of meals goes, it's just something to try. If it doesn't work well in your schedule for whatever reason then you can skip it. I personally eat 3 meals with 2 snacks in between but I'm not really convinced it makes a huge difference.
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Postby UKfightfreak » Aug 24, 2004 08:20

Easy tips,

Stay away from the 4 white deaths:

White fat, white sugar, white salt and white flour.

Stop eating any white bread and products high in sugar - cakes etc. Even low fat products sometimes have high sugar content.

Make sure you have plenty of EFA's (essential fatty acids) - good fat - without this you won't lose fat.

PS for everyone else - another good reason why you shouldn't do atkins - you will just put it all back on again!!
Matt

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